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作者 標題 [新聞]蘋果因數位內容可用性面臨集體訴訟
時間 Sat Apr 24 13:39:00 2021
原文連結:https://gamerant.com/apple-class-action-lawsuit-digital-purchases/
Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Availability of Digital Purchases
Apple is hit with a lawsuit over whether it can take away customer's digital purchases when an iTunes or Apple ID account is suspended. ...
Apple is hit with a lawsuit over whether it can take away customer's digital purchases when an iTunes or Apple ID account is suspended. ...
新聞原文:
Apple is hit with a lawsuit over whether it can take away customer's digital
purchases when an iTunes or Apple ID account is suspended.
Enthusiasts of all things movies, games, and music are often proud of the
collections they amass, with some record collectors owning thousands of
albums and some gamers owning an equally large amount of video games. As
media has moved into the online realm over the years, many of these fans have
moved to collecting digital downloads instead of physical discs, but now the
question being presented in a lawsuit against Apple is: Do consumers actually
own the digital downloads they buy?
As far as lawsuits go, this is far from Apple's first rodeo. In February this
year, Apple CEO Tim Cook was instructed to appear in court for a seven hour
long deposition in relation to Epic Games' recent lawsuit against the tech
giant, and every new iPhone release seems to come with a few consumer
lawsuits over battery or repair issues. This most recent suit, however, is
slightly new territory.
The crux of the suit, lead by plaintiff David Andino, is whether Apple has
the right to block a customer's access to media they have purchased on iTunes
or the App Store if their account has been suspended. Andino's suit argues,
"just like Best Buy cannot come into a person’s home to repossess the movie
DVD that such person purchased from it, Defendant should not be able to
remove Digital Content from its customers’ Purchased folders." Even though
Apple is being investigated for anti-competitive behavior in the fallout of
the Epic Games lawsuit and was ordered to pay damages in a recent consumer
battery lawsuit, the company appears to be saddling up once again to see
Andino's suit through the hard way in the legal system.
With the suit moving ahead, Apple has tried to claim that "no reasonable
consumer would believe" content purchased on iTunes would remain there
forever, however U.S. District Court Judge John Mendez dismissed this claim
stating, "In common usage, the term 'buy' means to acquire possession over
something." With in-app purchases at an all time high during the pandemic,
now is not a bad time to decide, in a court of law, whether these purchases
are actually owned by the consumer or not.
Judge Mendez goes on to state that the case would not be dismissed because,
"Reasonable consumers would expect their access couldn’t be revoked." Fellow
tech giant Microsoft recently settled a suit out of court over Xbox
controller drift, and it's technically not too late for Apple to settle out
of court as well, though there has been no word yet on whether the company
intends to move in that direction.
Earlier this month Apple tried to block witnesses in the Epic Games antitrust
trial, so if the digital download case does go to court Apple will likely
have similar moves up its sleeves. Amazon is also facing a similar lawsuit at
the moment, so whichever case is resolved first may just set the precedent
for the other company as well as all other digital retailers.
心得:略翻一下,美國由原告 David Andino 發起了集體訴訟表示,就算自己的Apple帳
號被Ban,仍應該有權訪問自己所購買的數位內容,包括電影與影集等,他說:「就像百
視達不能直接走進用戶的家裡拿走用戶正在看的電影一樣。蘋果不應該能夠從用戶那邊
號被Ban,仍應該有權訪問自己所購買的數位內容,包括電影與影集等,他說:「就像百
視達不能直接走進用戶的家裡拿走用戶正在看的電影一樣。蘋果不應該能夠從用戶那邊
刪除用戶購買的內容,但事實上他們可以,儘管有些消費者很幸運,不會碰上這種問題,
但總有一天人們會發現他們的數位內容就這樣消失了。」
但蘋果認為,沒有人會相信這些東西都能永遠保留在iTunes平台上,不過當地法官駁回了
這個說法:「通常而言,「購買」一詞代表著人們能夠佔有某物,通過支付獲得這個物品
的擁有權。」,蘋果試圖證明原告所稱的「傷害」只是純粹的推測,但法官仍然認為蘋果
在用詞上的誤導可能會讓消費者錯誤的理解對於數位內容的擁有權,或者對這些產品花了
本來不會花的錢,目前全案仍在審理當中。
這個說法:「通常而言,「購買」一詞代表著人們能夠佔有某物,通過支付獲得這個物品
的擁有權。」,蘋果試圖證明原告所稱的「傷害」只是純粹的推測,但法官仍然認為蘋果
在用詞上的誤導可能會讓消費者錯誤的理解對於數位內容的擁有權,或者對這些產品花了
本來不會花的錢,目前全案仍在審理當中。
而這個案子所造成的影響可能會比想像中來的廣泛,特別是對於現在這個數位內容大行其
道的時代,如果有一天使用者不能再使用我的帳號了,那麼我所購買的數位內容能否持續
道的時代,如果有一天使用者不能再使用我的帳號了,那麼我所購買的數位內容能否持續
保有?對於這些內容我能不能主張自己的所有權?這些或許都是未來廠商們要面對的問題。
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推 : 支持,ban帳號是廠商的權利,但不應該剝奪消費者已經1F 04/24 13:56
→ : 購買過的產品。
→ : 購買過的產品。
推 : 我認同法官的觀點,購買就代表取得永久使用權,應該要維護3F 04/24 14:19
推 : 有被下架過電影的人,就知道這還滿不合理的4F 04/24 14:23
→ : 花錢買的,說沒了就沒了
→ : 應該要把購買改成「下架前,無限次數觀看」
→ : 花錢買的,說沒了就沒了
→ : 應該要把購買改成「下架前,無限次數觀看」
推 : 我也有專輯不見過 雖然有備份但是還是@@7F 04/24 14:26
推 : 希望能告成功 蘋果真的會亂BAN帳號 很機歪8F 04/24 14:29
推 : 同理switch被ban帳號也應該能繼續使用已購買的數位版遊9F 04/24 14:36
→ : 戲嗎
→ : 戲嗎
推 : 「沒有人會相信這些東西都能永遠保留iTunes在平台上。11F 04/24 14:37
→ : 」這句話真的垃圾
→ : 」這句話真的垃圾
推 : 在有人出來說steam之前,先告訴大家G胖保證過若哪天steam13F 04/24 14:46
→ : 沒了會開放遊戲庫下載,且現在steam無DRM的遊戲也越來越多
→ : 。apple這裡做的真的不好
其實這個東西遊戲界先前就已經吵過一輪了,像是Sony直接Ban掉PSN帳號那裏面的內容怎→ : 沒了會開放遊戲庫下載,且現在steam無DRM的遊戲也越來越多
→ : 。apple這裡做的真的不好
麼辦,後來大家的共識是在條款裡面聲明玩家購買的只是「使用權」而非擁有權(但也沒
有賣得比較便宜就是了),當然使用者購買的也是電影、音樂的播放權,不過蘋果的確也
沒有立場直接禁止用戶觀看已經購買的東西就是了。個人覺得對於使用者來說,我們是跟
App開發者與創作者購買程式的使用權與數位內容的使用權,蘋果不應該因為Ban掉使用者
的帳號就連帶讓這些權益受到損失。
※ 編輯: www846www (36.234.9.36 臺灣), 04/24/2021 15:03:07
推 : 改無限觀看也是不合理,購買了就要存在16F 04/24 15:24
推 : 商人的嘴臉…噁17F 04/24 15:30
推 : 換個例子,很多服務關閉與下架,這樣消費者能提告嗎?18F 04/24 16:03
→ : 串流這類商品,確實無法保證”永久”,購買的到底是”
→ : 服務”還是”商品”,感覺有點模糊。
→ : 串流這類商品,確實無法保證”永久”,購買的到底是”
→ : 服務”還是”商品”,感覺有點模糊。
推 : 支持21F 04/24 16:12
推 : 這真的很難界定 因為一般人包括我22F 04/24 16:14
→ : 也是認為電影應該有永久存取權
→ : 真的有一天要倒了 至少給消費者下載所有內容
→ : 但如果iTunes 是像線上遊戲那種服務性質的東西
→ : 那還真無法求償 目前在上面買了700多部電影
→ : 我會不敢再繼續買下去....
→ : 也是認為電影應該有永久存取權
→ : 真的有一天要倒了 至少給消費者下載所有內容
→ : 但如果iTunes 是像線上遊戲那種服務性質的東西
→ : 那還真無法求償 目前在上面買了700多部電影
→ : 我會不敢再繼續買下去....
推 : 應該要永久保存,不然會產生不信任感,誰敢買呀28F 04/24 16:17
→ : 所現在都要說subscribe 而不能說purchase了29F 04/24 16:33
推 : 推,買了還會不見,哪招30F 04/24 16:34
推 : epic的無盡之劍123也都無法使用了哈哈哈31F 04/24 16:49
推 : 為什麼他的帳號會被Ban?32F 04/24 17:02
→ : 還好我從來都沒買過33F 04/24 18:09
→ : 把商店當成雲端硬碟啊?34F 04/24 18:17
推 : 真的..我的無盡之劍QQ35F 04/24 18:36
→ : kouta在回什麼鬼東西...36F 04/24 18:56
→ : iTunes無法繼承37F 04/24 19:05
推 : 因為這對蘋果不利吧38F 04/24 19:05
推 : 真的不知道在回啥鬼ww39F 04/24 19:10
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