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標題 Re: [iwin] 衛福部3/21會議 確定不直播
時間 Sat Mar 16 23:50:43 2024


想借這串問一下,本來想說寫篇英文文章發到Reddit之類的論壇看能不能鬧更大一點(?)
結果寫完了想到自己其實也不常混歐美論壇不太懂那邊生態,所以不知道到底該發去哪裡才
好XDD 有版友能給點建議嗎?


附上寫好的文章

Taiwanese people's freedom of reading/watching virtual works is threatened

The government of Taiwan (R.O.C.) is planning on releasing a new policy. To expl
ain it, people who own, create, or spread virtual artworks might be subject to d
isproportionately harsh penalties (up to seven-year sentence) if the government
subjectively considers the art works to be inappropriate content, particularly t
hose depicting child pornography. The government claims that it is to decrease t
he rate for child prostitution to happen; however, the policy is completely ridi
culous in my opinion for the reasons below.

First and foremost, there is no clue that virtual artworks are connected to actu
al child prostitution. In fact, refer to the study carried out by the experts at
 Sexologisk Klinik(*), virtual child pornography does not lead to real child pro
stitution. There is also a substantial body of research showing that violence is
 not related to violent video games. Based on the facts, I believe there is a hi
gher chance that virtual artworks are not responsible for any real world crimes,
 including child prostitution. For instance, Japan has the lowest reported rates
 of sexual assault and child prostitution despite having a thriving virtual porn
 industry, including virtual child pornography. Engagement with virtual artworks
 may satisfy certain desires, potentially reducing the likelihood of harmful beh
aviors towards real individuals. Overall, it seems to me that virtual artworks d
o not result in real child prostitution. Given this point, declaring owning virt
ual artworks a crime would be absolutely inadequate.

Secondly, there are no REAL children being abused just because someone owns or c
reates virtual artworks, as long as the artworks are totally fictions. On the ot
her hand, the freedom of the owner or the creator would be severely harmed. Once
 the law is implemented, rather than real criminals, individuals without crimina
l intent are punished. This is clearly beyond the scope of government authority.
 Actually, perpetrators of child prostitution in Taiwan always tend to be given
lenient sentences (usually lower than four-year sentences), which incites great
anger among our citizens. I suppose it would be a better idea for the government
 to deal with real-world child prostitutes rather than banning virtual artworks
that are not proven to be related.

Finally, whether the art works comply with the standard is totally decided by th
e government, regardless of the background or the character set of the works. Wi
thout any criteria, the policy will undoubtedly become the tool for the governme
nt to control the freedom of speech. For example, if an active user on a forum o
pposes an inappropriate policy the government wants to promulgate, which upsets
the government, then the government would be able to sue the user because the us
er has posted a picture of a child, which does not even have to be erotic in pub
lic view. This will gradually silence all the opinions against the government, a
nd severely undermine freedom of speech in the long term.

Despite all of the unjustified aspects of the policy, the government will still
hold a meeting to impose stricter regulations on virtual artworks on 21st, March
 Moreover, the whole meeting would be held privately, making all of us afraid t
hat the meeting will be rigged. That is why I write down and post this article.
I hope that we can supervise the government together, preventing it from going f
urther on the road of dictatorship.

Here are some of the Taiwanese people’s responses to this incident.

ACGN creator's rights promotion association: https://www.facebook.com/ACGNCRPA/?
paipv=0&eav=AfbiMYSvAHueldor5H6Vbpu0kHv3Dn5gimkLEjGKmL9i1LNGBTR4UpBiTUcVzTbYvVk&
_rdr

ACGN creator’s issues forum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuqokjptclQ&t=2s&a
b_channel=%E5%8B%95%E6%BC%AB%E5%B7%A5%E6%9C%83

* refer to  https://cbldf.org/2012/07/danish-report-discredits-link-between-cart

 
oons-and-child-sex-abuse/


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Re: [iwin] 衛福部3/21會議 確定不直播
03-16 23:50 hyChika
LouisLEE: 不不不,牽扯到兒色,還是不要貼過去好了1F 03/16 23:52
a125g: 不會== 他國事務2F 03/16 23:52
class21535: 你知道全世界禁止虛擬兒色的的國家很多嗎 持有也有罪3F 03/16 23:54
grtfor: 換作是你,確定會管遠在歐洲完全沒聽過小島上面的事嗎?4F 03/16 23:54
laigeorge89: 別,那邊一聽到兒色這兩個字就牙起來了5F 03/16 23:54
asdf1944: 尼不知道reddit是左膠大本營嗎?6F 03/16 23:55
laigeorge89: 而且他們連自己都自身難保了,還可能引來髒東西介入7F 03/16 23:56
jojojen: 歪果仁大多數反應:「泰國不意外」我猜這樣吧8F 03/16 23:56
Wilson310: 不要喔,你這樣只會引來一堆外神9F 03/16 23:56
asdf1944: 就算找到偏右翼的sub大概也懶得鳥黃猴島的事情10F 03/16 23:57
Matrones: 你翻成日文還比較有用,翻成英文是要助攻iwin是不是?11F 03/16 23:57
PunkGrass: 欸 感覺你貼過去反而會幫iwin方增加隊友喔
小心到時他們直接拿支持他們的外國人言論背書12F 03/16 23:59
hyChika: 了解,老實說自己原本對歐美那邊也沒抱很大期待只是我弟很想做點什麼所以還是試著寫了QQ 感謝版友們指教~14F 03/17 00:02
necrophagist: 唯一能想到會有援軍的是reddit/VisualNovels板16F 03/17 00:03
F16V: 翻日文可能比較有用17F 03/17 00:07
necrophagist: 不過你文章intro寫太短 事件來龍去脈沒先完整交代就開始闡述反對理念 可能不會有很好效果18F 03/17 00:07
Retangle: 你是想找SJW來出征嗎20F 03/17 00:13
hyChika: 感覺要完整交代會長到哭更沒有人願意看完哈哈哈,應該就先放棄了但還是感謝n大建議~21F 03/17 00:13
a123444556: 你找歐美幹嘛?恩不里居那群人就是用歐美的抄來台灣誒?ACG的最大隊友就日本 早就已經找來當外援23F 03/17 00:17
JUNOCARE: 歐美是恩不理居友軍喔25F 03/17 00:38
DarkKnight: 歐美:管不夠嚴 不行26F 03/17 00:41
zizc06719: 貼那沒用== 而且反而會害到這邊27F 03/17 00:48
SonyXperiaZ3: 歐美普遍不了解ACG也系統性歧視ACG文化 強烈不建議28F 03/17 00:53
yellowhow: 歐美就是這樣的玩法,沒用吧XD29F 03/17 01:31
LiangNight: 他們參戰打宅就好笑了30F 03/17 01:45
sdd5426: 想告洋狀喔 你以為人家鳥你一個東亞小島在想什麼?31F 03/17 01:53
XFarter: 上面有多少個真的有 Reddit 帳號的?怎麼看起來你們的敘述跟我知道的根本是平行世界?32F 03/17 01:55
test23786: 歐美現在就對兒色很敏感,請鬼拿藥單,不要看什麼中國俄國推的法條歐美反對圖卡這種誤導性質的導致認為歐美是隊友,歐美說白只是政治上反對中俄推的法條但他們本身就對兒色有意見的34F 03/17 01:57
Luvsic: 他們會覺得現在iwin玩法很正常38F 03/17 02:02
XFarter: 只能說樓上有些版友要造謠也造的像一點 光是 Reddit 的看板跟動漫有關的不計專版都至少五六個了39F 03/17 02:03
test23786: 而且就算有支持他們連自己國內反兒色風氣都控制不住了…… 要怎麼管到台灣去
看看精美都Gumroad41F 03/17 02:09
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XFarter: http://i.imgur.com/jhCktfg.jpg
以原 Po 的文章來說要發在 Reddit 沒什麼問題,每個子板(subreddit) 的聲量跟風向其實差很多,但比較常上 Trending 的正常人其實為數絕對不是少數46F 03/17 02:13
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KangarooDad: 你他媽的有點國際觀好嗎?50F 03/17 04:36
Sinreigensou: 歐美就是對兒色最敏感的 你這是送槍給iwin
唯一能找的只有日本51F 03/17 06:59
kasim15: 美國就是一邊爆發狂歡島事件一邊要打擊二次元兒色的地方53F 03/17 08:19
sunwell123: Reddit有滿多二次元色圖板的,那邊也很多鄉民啦54F 03/17 08:36
john5568: 發到日本還有可能,歐美?這本來就在禁吧55F 03/17 08:40
hyChika: X大這就是我一開始想問的,不過看其他版友反應也怕一個不慎讓事情更複雜所以還是先算了,感謝X大建議~~56F 03/17 09:01
AirForce00: 說個諷刺一點的,你搞不好找大陸、俄羅斯網友還比較有辦法得到支持。儘管他們有兒色提案,但很明顯是在讓其他歐美國家無法下台階58F 03/17 09:22
XFarter: 抱歉,我上面噴完以後忘記補上一個實質的建議了,話只說一半
實際上各個板塊的討論風向都有差,且你去 Anime / Comic的討論區大部分人都是正經討論動漫畫,政治偷渡梗不會像這裡這麼多
不過我認為值得去這些大板塊先做一些 survey,目前我所知最有可能找到同溫層支持者的是 r/manga 或 r/anime 版,前者就是標準的日漫討論區也是最自由的
https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/s/NljtZObNfY
你可以看一下過去赤松老師在上文被討論的內容就大概知道了。
只能說西恰喜歡造謠不查證的人是真的不少,看看之前小歐盟那篇文章就知道許多人只是靠刻板印象、風向感覺在討論事情。(我沒有把我自己完全排除在外)
但總結就是我認為原Po既然都打這麼長了,我認為有鑑於上面的文章的成功案例,你應該嘗試發發看。
另外,由於 Reddit 的板跟文章實在太多,要找相關討論的關鍵字蠻重要的,附上我認為您一定用得到的關鍵字:
political correctness, Artistic Freedom, Creative Freedom, SJW, creativity.
其中 Creative Freedom 會是能找到最多符合原 Po 想找的討論的選項。61F 03/17 09:29
toulio81: 外國現在已經極端到歧視白人不是歧視了,並不是國外的或西方的就每件事都是好的83F 03/17 10:53
hyChika: 感謝X大提供資訊~~看了一下r/manga的鄉民確實都對創作自由相關議題相當友善,我先試著把文章修得更著重創作自由部分看看好了85F 03/17 20:13
Reranx: 英文圈可是對兒色異常敏感的地方,你怎麼會想翻譯成英文88F 03/17 20:31
Castle88654: 你是不是樂子人啊?89F 03/17 23:28

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