看板 NBA作者 stevenchiang (RF)標題 [外絮] 前NBA球星:嘴綠在90年代絕不會打任何人時間 Tue Dec 19 15:26:57 2023
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NBA Legend Says Draymond Green Would Never Slap Anyone In The 90s: "He'd Have
Been In Hospital Every Other Week"
Kermit Washington contrasts Draymond Green's conduct in today's NBA.
NBA傳奇Kermit Washington(以下簡稱KW)稱嘴綠在90年代絕對不會打任何人
「他每隔一周就會住院」
Former NBA All-Star Kermit Washington recently shared his perspective on the
disciplinary issues surrounding Draymond Green in a discussion with Ryan
Verneuille from Fox Sports and Nick from Fadeaway World. Washington, known
for his physical style of play during his playing days, expressed doubt that
Green would engage in such behavior if he played in the NBA 20 to 30 years
ago.
前NBA全明星Kermit Washington最近在與Fox Sports的Ryan Verneuille和Fadeaway
World的Nick的討論中分享了他對圍繞嘴綠的紀律問題的看法。KW在球員時代以強硬
的比賽風格聞名,他表示懷疑如果嘴綠在20到30年前在NBA打球,他是否會做出這樣
的行為。
"Draymond Green would not do that 20, 30 years ago. Let's be really honest,
he's a good player. And is a good player on a was a very good team."
"He wouldn't dare. I mean, you had so many tough guys back then. You look at
Seattle, you had Lonnie Shelton and Paul Silas, you had Truck Robinson, you
had Clifford Ray. Every team had a tough guy. I mean he would have no chance
of slapping somebody, oh my goodness, no."
"He would have been in a hospital every other week. But he would have been
smart enough to realize the pecking order is different. Guys now are making
millions of dollars. They don't want to get suspended and lose two or three
hundred thousand dollars."
「20、30 年前,嘴綠不會這麼做。說實話,他是個優秀的球員。他是一支非常優秀
的球隊中的一名優秀球員。」
「他不敢。我的意思是,那時有很多硬漢。你看看西雅圖,有Lonnie Shelton和
Paul Silas。有Truck Robinson,有Clifford Ray。每個球隊都有一個硬漢。我
的意思是他沒有機會打別人耳光,天哪,沒有。」
「他每隔一週就會去醫院一次。但他夠聰明,能夠意識到等級秩序是不同的。現在人們
能賺數百萬美元。他們不想被禁賽然後損失二、三十萬美元。」
According to Washington, the tough and physical nature of the NBA during that
era, with players like Lonnie Shelton, Paul Silas, Truck Robinson, and
Clifford Ray on various teams, would have made it challenging for Green to
resort to slapping opponents without facing serious consequences. Washington
suggested that Green would have likely found himself in the hospital
frequently due to the physicality and toughness prevalent in the league at
that time.
Washington also highlighted the financial implications of player conduct in
the present-day NBA, emphasizing that players now make millions of dollars
and are less inclined to jeopardize their earnings by getting suspended and
fined. He noted the difference in the pecking order and players' awareness of
the financial consequences associated with on-court incidents.
While recognizing Draymond Green as a good player on a successful team,
Washington's comments shed light on the changes in the NBA's culture and
dynamics over the years, illustrating how the league's physicality and the
consequences for player conduct have evolved.
根據KW的說法,那個時代NBA的激烈和強硬性質,不同球隊都有像Lonnie Shelton、
Paul Silas、Truck Robinson、和Clifford Ray這樣的球員,這使得嘴綠很難在沒有面對
嚴重威脅的情況下扇對手耳光。KW表示,就當時聯盟中普遍存在的激烈和強硬的特性,嘴
綠可能會頻繁地發現他自己在醫院裡。
KW也強調了當今NBA球員行為的財務影響,強調球員現在可以賺取數百萬美元,並且不太
願意因停賽和罰款而危及他們的收入。他指出了在球隊內部不同級別的球員發生事件所
帶來的財務後果的認識。
儘管嘴綠是一支成功球隊中的出色球員,KW的評論也揭示了NBA文化和格局多年來的變
化,說明了聯盟的體育特性以及球員的行為所帶來的後果是如何演變的。
Draymond Green Would Be Very Careful In 80s And 90s Eras
In the rough-and-tumble eras of the 80s and 90s in the NBA, Draymond Green
would have needed to tread very carefully, given the presence of formidable
and physical players who were known for their toughness. Players like Charles
Oakley, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, and Shaquille O'Neal
from the 90s embodied a level of physicality and aggression that could have
posed significant challenges for Green.
嘴綠在80年代和90年代會非常小心
在NBA的80年代和90年代,嘴綠需要非常小心地行事,因為存在著以強硬著稱的強狀的球
員。如Charles Oakley, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning和
Shaquille O'Neal這樣的90年代球員代表著一種身體強度侵略性,可能會對嘴綠構成重
大挑戰。
Additionally, tough guys such as Kermit Washington, who famously leveled Rudy
Tomjanovich and broke his face, were part of the league during that era.
Washington's reputation for physical play and the infamous incident with
Tomjanovich showcased the intensity and seriousness of the game in the 80s.
Other notorious enforcers like Rick Mahorn and Bill Laimbeer were also known
for their aggressive style, making it a no-nonsense environment on the court.
Kermit Washington, in particular, was highlighted for his toughness, having
been involved in one of the most infamous altercations in NBA history. The
incident where he leveled Rudy Tomjanovich with a punch resulted in severe
consequences, underlining the high stakes and physical nature of the game
during that time.
KW等硬漢也是那個時代聯盟的一部分,KW因痛打Rudy Tomjanovich並打碎了他的臉而聞
名。KW以激烈的比賽風格以及與Rudy Tomjanovich間臭名昭著的事件展示了80年代比賽
的強度和嚴肅性。其他臭名昭著的執法者,如Rick Mahorn和Bill Laimbeer也以其激進
的風格而聞名,使得球場變成一個毫不留情的環境。
KW尤其因其強硬而受到關注,他捲入了NBA歷史上最臭名昭著的爭吵之一。
他用一拳將Rudy Tomjanovich打趴的事件導致了嚴重的後果,凸顯了當時比賽的高風險
和激烈性質。
Reflecting on the historical context suggests that Green would have faced
formidable challenges in an era where physicality, intimidation, and on-court
altercations were more prevalent. The presence of iconic tough guys and
enforcers from the 80s and 90s would have made it imperative for a player
like Draymond Green to exercise caution and navigate the intense environment
with care.
回顧背景歷史表明,在一個更注重體力、恐嚇和球場衝突的時代,嘴綠可能會面臨巨大的
挑戰。80年代和90年代標誌性硬漢和執法者的存在,使得像嘴綠這樣的隊員必須謹慎行事
,並小心應對這種激烈的環境。
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1977年12月9日,在湖人隊與火箭隊的比賽,賈霸和火箭隊球員在中圈附近發生扭打,
KW原本不是當事人,但他看到火箭隊前鋒Rudy Tomjanovich要往中圈跑過去時,直接
一拳把Rudy Tomjanovich打趴
影片如下:
https://youtu.be/iUGojpgJJ1Y?t=132
這一拳造成Rudy Tomjanovich
「臉部骨骼結構與頭骨分離、腦震盪以及下巴和鼻子骨折之外,他還在漏血,腦漿進入
他的顱骨囊。他的頭骨骨折,他可以嘗到腦漿滲入他嘴裡的味道」
「醫生說,Rudy Tomjanovich沒有當場被打死,還能自行離場,絕對已經是一個奇蹟」
賈霸說:「聲音聽起來好像是把瓜類丟到混凝土上的聲音」
這一拳後來被稱為「The Punch」,至今在網路上都是被稱為NBA史上最嚴重場上衝突事件
KW後來被禁賽60日且罰款1萬美金,然後因為重播都只播他那一拳,沒播前面中圈衝突部
分,他變成全美輿論公敵,收到大量種族歧視的訊息,老婆懷有身孕還被人毆打等等,
湖人隊高層也沒挺他,馬上就把他交易到塞爾提克去了
順帶一提他2018年因慈善詐欺被聯邦法院判6年徒刑
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[外絮] 前NBA球星:嘴綠在90年代絕不會打任何人
12-19 15:26 stevenchiang
推 Y225: 如果對上那時候的活塞1F 12/19 15:27
※ 編輯: stevenchiang (36.231.93.129 臺灣), 12/19/2023 15:29:01
推 jack34031: 這是打爆Tomjanovich那位嗎
喔喔 沒看到下面有補充2F 12/19 15:27
推 wpd: 不是吧 嘴綠會是打得更乾脆的那一群
你以為嘴綠功力只有你現在看到這樣?? 他已經封印了8F 12/19 15:29
推 JoanneChung: 他打得過Malone、阿泰嗎?那年代不會打人也是正常10F 12/19 15:30
推 garytony1: 沒明白在NBA球場打自由搏擊這麼讓人驕傲嗎13F 12/19 15:30
推 QOO9142: 把火箭湯總生涯打掉的痕人14F 12/19 15:30
→ gp03dan: 要打去擂台、六角籠打不是很好?15F 12/19 15:31
→ wpd: 就像把喬丹放來現代 三分能力會提升18F 12/19 15:31
→ wpd: 把嘴綠放去90年代 打人能力也會提升20F 12/19 15:31
推 jack34031: 如果是現代像Washington那樣扁人,會不會被終身禁賽22F 12/19 15:32
推 ilikeroc: 沒辦法欺善吧 因為每隊都有個「硬漢」挺隊友26F 12/19 15:33
推 egghard29: 以為是要說嘴綠愛算計錢 30年前薪水微薄 禁賽不划算27F 12/19 15:33
推 TAZUSA: 樓下支援老馬的霸王肘28F 12/19 15:34
推 ATand: 嘴綠放到90年代敢打人他要有老巴的勇氣跟本事30F 12/19 15:35
→ shonxin: 嘴綠也是蠻粗的,兩代肌肉量差很多31F 12/19 15:35
推 Hotsheep: 這也不是貴古 只是在說嘴綠就是如此不合時宜32F 12/19 15:35
推 kober2266: 以前都扁到見血的 霸王肘讓老刺客縫40針33F 12/19 15:35
※ 編輯: stevenchiang (36.231.93.129 臺灣), 12/19/2023 15:38:01
噓 cenda: 講得好像你那個年代打人才會痛39F 12/19 15:37
推 aa89028500: 也不算貴古,以前真的是直接尻人的,但我不覺得這樣比較好看啦40F 12/19 15:38
推 www115ui8: 不要說以前 現在活塞Stewart 他也不敢惹42F 12/19 15:38
推 sunnyyoung: 嘴綠並沒有強壯無比 那時有幾位御前侍衛是有格鬥技底子的 要打到重傷害是有可能的44F 12/19 15:38
→ cor1os: 肌肉大小是一回事,大家都運動員差不了太多
打架是要靠狠的
母獅比較髒的就是不想當背景板會亂推人46F 12/19 15:39
→ www115ui8: 還有James Johnson 這種練家子49F 12/19 15:39
推 MDAISUKE18: 以前幾乎每隊都有凶神惡煞,而且是會反擊那種50F 12/19 15:40
推 qq0526: 都打不過灰熊那個 他有帶槍51F 12/19 15:40
推 cktony: 武術也來古今對決嗎53F 12/19 15:41
推 gogoegg: 以前球員 運動能力、球技都比現在差 但很敢打人就是54F 12/19 15:42
→ s111228s: 195公分的黑人差那10公斤肌肉量打下去結果應該差不多55F 12/19 15:43
推 jehow: 打架是看噸位 格鬥技都是其次57F 12/19 15:43
推 edwinrw: 以前都堆肉盾4號位 看看尼克溜馬58F 12/19 15:44
推 lindonlin: 也不算貴古,就單純跟前幾篇Haslem講的互相呼應,那年代每隊都有真的會出手的衝組,就算他挑不會回手的搞也會有其他人出來讓他下去60F 12/19 15:44
推 jyekid: 打到噴腦漿 厲害
看莫里斯還敢不敢打阿肥63F 12/19 15:45
推 JimmyBlue: 不用追溯那麼久,他碰到阿泰應該就會縮了65F 12/19 15:45
推 e49523: 那種不叫硬漢 就是來打人不是在打籃球66F 12/19 15:46
推 Nakata0911: 專業打手發話了 以前很多球隊都有養這種保鑣球員67F 12/19 15:46
推 lakershank: 小蟲&馬龍:challenge accepted!68F 12/19 15:47
推 tmgl: 藍比爾笑了70F 12/19 15:49
→ tyrone0923: 以前每隊都會有重型兵器跟你來動手,這是事實71F 12/19 15:49
噓 kenny0120: 以前遇到一定弄回去啊 怎麼可能讓嘴綠爽過72F 12/19 15:49
噓 ksk0516: 射爆mj 跑死歐肥73F 12/19 15:51
→ tyrone0923: 90年代板凳還可以衝出來,打人會有一群人上來圍毆74F 12/19 15:51
推 k960674: 「怎麼鹹鹹的?」「那是你腦漿的味道。」75F 12/19 15:51
→ MDAISUKE18: 我對蘭比爾的印象都是跟嘴綠一樣很多人體工學的動作,對手生氣的時候隊友會來保護他哈哈76F 12/19 15:52
推 neos042: 壞孩子vs嘴綠,後果如何不堪設想......78F 12/19 15:53
推 ifyoutry: 喜歡打人是一回事,打了裝無辜看了有夠倒彈。79F 12/19 15:53
推 tribeswf: 以前都有打手阿 嘴綠是聰明人 不會動手的80F 12/19 15:55
→ Alipapa: 2018的慈善詐欺有印象 有不少熟人涉案82F 12/19 15:56
→ ksk0516: 嘴綠以前敢弄人,別隊早就對路人報復了83F 12/19 15:57
噓 deanisme: 想太多 藍比爾很少嘴綠這種等級的動作 同隊的馬洪是比較兇 但嘴綠還是勝85F 12/19 15:58
→ ksk0516: 現在聯盟什麼都要管,對嘴綠卻標準不一87F 12/19 15:58
推 z0: 沒有提到老馬耶88F 12/19 15:59
→ deanisme: 規則如果允許耍髒 嘴綠絕對是最開心的那一個89F 12/19 15:59
推 stand1234: 不過Laimbeer人體工學是一回事,他不會卡位就巴人臉搶籃板時倒是會XDDD90F 12/19 15:59
推 foolishbi: 聯盟對嘴綠額外寬容太多了,聖槍遊俠被罰多重92F 12/19 16:00
→ ksk0516: 允許耍髒勇士就會管了啦不然咖哩第一個報銷93F 12/19 16:00
→ cor1os: 笑湯在欺負老史,馬龍就直接給他昇龍肘了94F 12/19 16:00
→ ksk0516: 嘴綠一直搞事不就不會被報復、聯盟又輕放95F 12/19 16:00
推 a28200266: 這樣只是把90年代形容成更多嘴綠的爛地方而已吧98F 12/19 16:01
推 foolishbi: 嘴綠應該不會縮,但隊友要用身體吃反擊了99F 12/19 16:02
推 sova0809: 那年代 囤肌肉組做髒活很正常 保護隊上王牌兼做攻擊組 真要反擊沒在客氣的420F 12/20 13:57
噓 joejerry: 這也叫貴古?蛹迷真的是可憐422F 12/20 14:51
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